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Monday, January 28, 2008

flabberty jabbery

So Liz tells me I sound really mad in that last post. Yeah I could see that. Let me PS that yes I really did bail out of the discussion because if I didn't I might say something I'd regret later, plus I was seriously losing my ability to sleep, and I really do feel the level of outrage as described BUT i want to super-add that that outrage is Not directed at anybody. Really. Espcially not at any of you. My apologies if anybody felt personally insulted- such was not my intent-kiss the bible, cross my heart, hope to die.


Anonymous said...

i would also like to add that i don't think that danielle overloaded it, i think we all got to the emotional end of our ropes all at the same time. notice how no one said anything for like two days? the same two days. and john really isn't mad or irritated with anyone. at least that's my read on him. ;)
the almighty liz

Anonymous said...

Wow, the mighty John Sever has a serious side. I read through most of the debate on abortion, and I am just curious. Maybe you are fizzled out, and won't take the time to answer, but when do you believe life begins? As a Mormon, we talk about death as the separation of the spirit and the body, so does life start with the union of the spirit with the body? Before you go nuclear, I am pro-life, but maybe not as adamant (and certainly not for as long) as you. Clearly, I am the least well read of your other fans, and probably the least intelligent, but I do the best with what I know. For now, my views are: I am not so sure that the morning after pill is bad. I struggle with the rape issue, but don't believe abortion should be used in cases of rape. In fact, as a believer in an omnipotent, omniscient God, I also struggle (heavy emphasis on the struggle) with when the mothers life is in serious danger. I understand your views John, and they seem to be black and white, but I see a lot of grey. Funny that even though I see it differently, I agree with you. If you tell anyone, I will deny it!


Anonymous said...

Having a serious side is no less startling to me, LA.

Thanks for dropping by. I have yet one or two wise words to say on the rape issue, but I shall not say them at this time but shall in due course, stay tuned.

I am not feeling so nuclear now, which is a relief to me. After all as a mortal (even as an immortal) you have to learn to live and be happy in a less than perfect world. Usually I am pretty good at blowing off the rest of the universe's problems, real good in fact, some say too good-
- I do think though occassionally feeling someone else's pain is a good reality check. Didn't CS Lewis say : "Pain is God's megaphone to rouse a deaf world."?


LA... LA... i'll figure out your indetity sooner or later...LA... HMMM

lizS said...

who the heck is LA?? inquiring minds want to know. i'm not going to comment on your comment until you reveal yourself!! so there.

timpani76 said...

1971 article from the church Ensign on rape and abortion:

"The Church opposes abortion and counsels its members not to submit to or perform an abortion except in the rare cases where, in the opinion of competent medical counsel, the life or good health of the mother is seriously endangered or where the pregnancy was caused by rape and produces serious emotional trauma in the mother. Even then it should be done only after counseling with the local presiding priesthood authority and after receiving divine confirmation through prayer."


(interesting article written before Roe vs. Wade)

I think the issue of whether to have an abortion in the case of rape is something that would have to be prayerfully considered by the woman, or in the case of teens, by the girl's parents and bishop. Pregnancy occurs in about %6 of rapes, so this could be a pretty high number of women/girls out there who have had to deal with this.

In the case of danger to the mother, I'm going to have to go with the mother on almost every instance. The mother has to be the one to take care of the baby, and other children as well.

LA-Lindsey? Laura?

Anonymous said...

Kiss the Bible! HA! I've never heard that added to "Cross my heart and hope to die!" (We always said, "Cross my heart, hope to die, stick a needle in my eye.")


PS- Didn't think you were mad, I just was thinking all weekend about what I had said to you, and how dumb I felt not being able to go back myself.

Anonymous said...

eat a cow manure pie?

Anonymous said...

Come on LizS, LA, the other great Liz. I shall see you Thursday night.


lizS said...

ah ha! my good friend liz here in town! wonderful to have you. in reply to your comment, i would say that if a woman is pregnant because of rape, or if her life is in danger from the pregnancy, that, because God knows everything and is way smarter, he is teaching us to lean on Him and include Him in our decisions. abortion in those cases are not always the answer, and keeping the baby no matter what is not always the answer. each individual has their own individiual situation, and God will give her the answer that is best for her, and no one else. that is why i think that abortion in the cases of rape, incest and danger to mother or child or both is between her and God, and possibly the father, depending. i don't think i could have carried my rapist's child. (not that i ever got pregnant at age eight, i'm being hypothetical) my good friend mary's mother did it though, and i adore that woman that much more for it. but hers was a different situation than mine, and her choices were different. am i making sense? of course i am. i'm the almighty liz.